[Paraview-developers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Using "fusion" style on OsX by default

[Cory Quammen]

With regards to layout and spacing, that could be tightened up in the
current style with Mac-specific margins in the proxy property widget,
no?

With regards to the overall aesthetic, it looks like I am in the
minority, but I don't like the Fusion style on Mac. I love it on
Linux, but not on a Mac.

There was a time in the past when Apple strived to have a uniform look
and feel across applications, and while that hasn't been the case even
for Apple applications for quite a few years, I still like the idea.
The Mac style in Qt has never been a perfect match for native macOS
applications, but it is a reasonable facsimile in a lot of ways.
Switching to Fusion completely abandons attempts to fit in with other
macOS applications. So partly for nostalgia reasons, partly for a bias
for consistency in the (Mac) universe, and partly for wanting to avoid
startling new users a bit less with a different style, I prefer the
current style.

I think we should consult with the ParaView users mailing list to get
more user feedback, not just developer feedback.

Thanks,
Cory


On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Aron Helser <aron.helser at kitware.com> wrote:
> I'd like to bring up that this change is going against current design trends
> - i.e. towards 'flat' designs, with cleaner, less cluttered UI elements.
>
> It's why things take up more space. Utkarsh, I'd encourage you to run those
> screenshots by our website designer, and see what reaction you get.
>
> What I see - switching to the older buttons with drop shadows that mimic a
> 'physical' button makes the UI look it's age.
>
> That being said, as a engineer I really don't mind what it looks like as
> long as I can get it to do what I want, so I can see why you are interested
> in the change.
>
> Regards,
> Aron
>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Andy Bauer <andy.bauer at kitware.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I don't think we need another option for changing this.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Utkarsh Ayachit
>> <utkarsh.ayachit at kitware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cool. Let's sleep on it for a day or two and if no new objections
>>> surface, we can choose to make the change. We can of course have an
>>> option to change it back in Settings too, but feel it might be an
>>> overkill since who'd actually change it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Moreland, Kenneth <kmorel at sandia.gov>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I agree that I like the fusion style better for the same reason as
>>> > Alan. In
>>> > fact, I remember complaining several years ago about how much space was
>>> > introduced into the GUI during some library update or another.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > My only reservation is that the tighter style might be more off-putting
>>> > to
>>> > new users (exaggerates the airplane-cockpit syndrome). However, the
>>> > current
>>> > GUI for the Windows executable looks just as tight, and that does not
>>> > seem
>>> > to be an issue. (According to download counts, windows users outnumber
>>> > Mac
>>> > and Linux by a large margin.)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Ken
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Paraview-developers
>>> > [mailto:paraview-developers-bounces at paraview.org]
>>> > On Behalf Of Scott, W Alan
>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:06 AM
>>> > To: Bauer, Andy (External Contacts) <andy.bauer at kitware.com>; Ayachit,
>>> > Utkarsh (External Contacts) <utkarsh.ayachit at kitware.com>
>>> > Cc: ParaView Developers <paraview-developers at paraview.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Paraview-developers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Using "fusion" style
>>> > on
>>> > OsX by default
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Assuming fusion is on the right side, I also like that better.  What is
>>> > important is that the fonts aren’t decreasing in size.  Ditto the
>>> > icons.  We
>>> > are just tightening up empty space.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > My $0.02
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Alan
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Paraview-developers
>>> > [mailto:paraview-developers-bounces at paraview.org]
>>> > On Behalf Of Andy Bauer
>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:45 AM
>>> > To: Ayachit, Utkarsh (External Contacts) <utkarsh.ayachit at kitware.com>
>>> > Cc: ParaView Developers <paraview-developers at paraview.org>
>>> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Paraview-developers] Using "fusion" style on
>>> > OsX by
>>> > default
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I like the Fusion style a bit better. I think it would be a good idea
>>> > to get
>>> > input from somebody with poor vision.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Utkarsh Ayachit
>>> > <utkarsh.ayachit at kitware.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Folks,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I wanted to see what people thought about using the "fusion" style
>>> > (same in
>>> > Linux) on OsX instead of the current OsX style used by Qt. Attached are
>>> > screenshots compare the two styles on a Mac.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > As you can see, "fusion" is more compact with more well aligned
>>> > widgets. The
>>> > Properties panel on both has been resized horizontally so that it is as
>>> > minimum size possible before a horizontal scrollbar shows up. Note how
>>> > wide
>>> > it has to be with macOS style as against Fusion.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Utkarsh
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Cory Quammen
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