[Paraview-developers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Using "fusion" style on OsX by default

Thu Jul 27 14:54:23 EDT 2017

Not really a Mac person, but I prefer the Mac style and would tighten
up the borders which Qt seemed to make overly large in Qt 5 (they were
never as bad in 4). The buttons look dated to me, and I prefer the
flatter style. The modern KDE plasma desktop on Linux has moved away
from the Fusion type style too I think, and it isn't even what I am
used to on Linux.

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Cory Quammen <cory.quammen at kitware.com> wrote:
> With regards to layout and spacing, that could be tightened up in the
> current style with Mac-specific margins in the proxy property widget,
> no?
>
> With regards to the overall aesthetic, it looks like I am in the
> minority, but I don't like the Fusion style on Mac. I love it on
> Linux, but not on a Mac.
>
> There was a time in the past when Apple strived to have a uniform look
> and feel across applications, and while that hasn't been the case even
> for Apple applications for quite a few years, I still like the idea.
> The Mac style in Qt has never been a perfect match for native macOS
> applications, but it is a reasonable facsimile in a lot of ways.
> Switching to Fusion completely abandons attempts to fit in with other
> macOS applications. So partly for nostalgia reasons, partly for a bias
> for consistency in the (Mac) universe, and partly for wanting to avoid
> startling new users a bit less with a different style, I prefer the
> current style.
>
> I think we should consult with the ParaView users mailing list to get
> more user feedback, not just developer feedback.
>
> Thanks,
> Cory
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Aron Helser <aron.helser at kitware.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to bring up that this change is going against current design trends
>> - i.e. towards 'flat' designs, with cleaner, less cluttered UI elements.
>>
>> It's why things take up more space. Utkarsh, I'd encourage you to run those
>> screenshots by our website designer, and see what reaction you get.
>>
>> What I see - switching to the older buttons with drop shadows that mimic a
>> 'physical' button makes the UI look it's age.
>>
>> That being said, as a engineer I really don't mind what it looks like as
>> long as I can get it to do what I want, so I can see why you are interested
>> in the change.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Aron
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Andy Bauer <andy.bauer at kitware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, I don't think we need another option for changing this.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Utkarsh Ayachit
>>> <utkarsh.ayachit at kitware.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Cool. Let's sleep on it for a day or two and if no new objections
>>>> surface, we can choose to make the change. We can of course have an
>>>> option to change it back in Settings too, but feel it might be an
>>>> overkill since who'd actually change it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Moreland, Kenneth <kmorel at sandia.gov>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I agree that I like the fusion style better for the same reason as
>>>> > Alan. In
>>>> > fact, I remember complaining several years ago about how much space was
>>>> > introduced into the GUI during some library update or another.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > My only reservation is that the tighter style might be more off-putting
>>>> > to
>>>> > new users (exaggerates the airplane-cockpit syndrome). However, the
>>>> > current
>>>> > GUI for the Windows executable looks just as tight, and that does not
>>>> > seem
>>>> > to be an issue. (According to download counts, windows users outnumber
>>>> > Mac
>>>> > and Linux by a large margin.)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -Ken
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From: Paraview-developers
>>>> > [mailto:paraview-developers-bounces at paraview.org]
>>>> > On Behalf Of Scott, W Alan
>>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:06 AM
>>>> > To: Bauer, Andy (External Contacts) <andy.bauer at kitware.com>; Ayachit,
>>>> > Utkarsh (External Contacts) <utkarsh.ayachit at kitware.com>
>>>> > Cc: ParaView Developers <paraview-developers at paraview.org>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Paraview-developers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Using "fusion" style
>>>> > on
>>>> > OsX by default
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Assuming fusion is on the right side, I also like that better.  What is
>>>> > important is that the fonts aren’t decreasing in size.  Ditto the
>>>> > icons.  We
>>>> > are just tightening up empty space.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > My $0.02
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Alan
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From: Paraview-developers
>>>> > [mailto:paraview-developers-bounces at paraview.org]
>>>> > On Behalf Of Andy Bauer
>>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:45 AM
>>>> > To: Ayachit, Utkarsh (External Contacts) <utkarsh.ayachit at kitware.com>
>>>> > Cc: ParaView Developers <paraview-developers at paraview.org>
>>>> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Paraview-developers] Using "fusion" style on
>>>> > OsX by
>>>> > default
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I like the Fusion style a bit better. I think it would be a good idea
>>>> > to get
>>>> > input from somebody with poor vision.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Utkarsh Ayachit
>>>> > <utkarsh.ayachit at kitware.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Folks,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I wanted to see what people thought about using the "fusion" style
>>>> > (same in
>>>> > Linux) on OsX instead of the current OsX style used by Qt. Attached are
>>>> > screenshots compare the two styles on a Mac.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > As you can see, "fusion" is more compact with more well aligned
>>>> > widgets. The
>>>> > Properties panel on both has been resized horizontally so that it is as
>>>> > minimum size possible before a horizontal scrollbar shows up. Note how
>>>> > wide
>>>> > it has to be with macOS style as against Fusion.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Utkarsh
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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