[Insight-developers] [ITK Community] Is dashboard hackathon still needed?

Tue Dec 17 17:13:57 EST 2013

A good path for improvement would (in my humble opinion),

  - Fix build errors on Windows
  - Fix warnings on all platforms (hopefully this will also help with tests)
  - Fix tests on all platforms
  - Enable the modules on the CDash at Home Gerrit builds
  - Happily continue with collaborative development :-)

There is no specific urgency for the timeline.  There are many things
that should be improved in ITK :-).

Thanks,
Matt

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Vladimir S. FONOV
<vladimir.fonov at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So,
>
> what's the current status ? Is there are warnings on official ITK build
> dashboard that have to be addressed right now?
>
> (Apart from M_PI issue on Visual Studio) ?
>
>
> On 13-12-17 04:36 PM, Matt McCormick wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Vladimir S. FONOV
>> <vladimir.fonov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So, this approach actually have nothing to do with the question if
>>> feature
>>> is actually needed or not?
>>>
>>
>> This feature definitely adds huge value both to ITK and the medical
>> imaging community in general.
>>
>>> I suggest a new radical solution - remove all the features from ITK, then
>>> you will have a perfectly clean and neat dashboard and nothing to worry
>>> about
>>
>>
>> That would be very sad.
>>
>> The objective is get the Nightly dashboard builds all green, then the
>> CDash at Home builds green with this feature enabled.  This way, if
>> something unrelated to MINCIO is added but breaks MINCIO, it is
>> noticed and fixed by the author.  Getting and keeping the dashboard
>> clean is way to prevent everyone from breaking each other's code so
>> that we all benefit from each others work.
>>
>> Thank you for all the work that has been put into the ITK-MINC
>> integration.  It is highly valued.  With these improvements, your
>> maintenance burden will be reduced.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13-12-17 03:59 PM, Johnson, Hans J wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If warnings persist, that feature in ITK will be placed into a
>>>> deprecated
>>>> status, and will be prime material to remove in future releases.
>>>>
>>>> It does not necessarily need to be you, but in a community development
>>>> environment, if the there is not sufficient support for removing
>>>> compiler
>>>> warnings that is a strong statement about the lack of importance for
>>>> that
>>>> component of the toolkit in future versions.
>>>>
>>>> I understand the that there are never enough resources.  Please try to
>>>> recruit a fan-base of others who feel this is an important part of ITK
>>>> and
>>>> that they should address the issues that you can not.
>>>>
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "Vladimir S. FONOV" <vladimir.fonov at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:55 PM
>>>> To: Bill Lorensen <bill.lorensen at gmail.com>, Hans Johnson
>>>> <hans-johnson at uiowa.edu>
>>>> Cc: Sean McBride <sean at rogue-research.com>, ITK
>>>> <insight-developers at itk.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Insight-developers] [ITK Community] Is dashboard hackathon
>>>> still needed?
>>>>
>>>> OK,
>>>>
>>>> I personally have a situation when I have to allocate limited resources
>>>> (my time) between different projects, not all of them being software
>>>> development.
>>>>
>>>> So, convince me why I have to spend any more time on this particular
>>>> project then absolutely necessary.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, did anybody actually verify that my changes actually solve
>>>> original problem (i.e compilation for Windows) instead of
>>>> procrastinating and fixing compiler warnings ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13-12-17 03:46 PM, Bill Lorensen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A few years back at a NA_MIC project Week in SLC, I suggested that
>>>>> warnings are the graffiti of software quality. Here is a summary:
>>>>>
>>>>> The book, The Tipping Point, analyses trends and how they take hold.
>>>>> As (NAME YOUR SOFTWARE) grows and the number of contributors
>>>>> increases, there needs to be tighter controls on the quality of the
>>>>> system. The larger the code base, number of platforms and developers,
>>>>> the more need there is for attention to quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Tipping Point, a chapter on increasing crime in New York City
>>>>> in the 1990's describes how the trend was reversed. The city
>>>>> concentrated areas like cleaning graffiti from subway cars. The author
>>>>> claims that this and other seemingly trivial goals may have led to a
>>>>> reversal of the crime trend.
>>>>>
>>>>> This project hypothesizes that compilation warnings are the graffiti
>>>>> of software quality. A lack of attention to this seemingly trivial
>>>>> goal shows a lack of attention to the overall quality of software.
>>>>> This project will reduce warnings to zero for a popular c++
>>>>> compiler,(NAME YOUR COMPILER).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Johnson, Hans J
>>>>> <hans-johnson at uiowa.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ABSOLUTELY THEY MUST BE FIXED!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A tremendous amount of developer energy used in maintaining code that
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> warnings.  The cost of software maintenance is substantially reduce
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> warnings are removed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is my experience that warnings VERY highly correlated with real
>>>>>> bugs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: "Vladimir S. FONOV" <vladimir.fonov at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:28 PM
>>>>>> To: Sean McBride <sean at rogue-research.com>
>>>>>> Cc: ITK <insight-developers at itk.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Insight-developers] [ITK Community] Is dashboard
>>>>>> hackathon
>>>>>> still needed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> do we really have to fix warnings at this stage? I.e everything else
>>>>>> actually compiles?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13-12-17 03:05 PM, Sean McBride wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the MINC compiler warnings... I've fixed a bunch in my github
>>>>>>> fork, Vlad can you review and merge?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://github.com/seanm/libminc/tree/develop>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've also disabled a bunch of others, because they are a long term
>>>>>>> project...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Vladimir S. FONOV ~ vladimir.fonov <at> gmail.com
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