[vtkusers] How get DICOM image intensity?

Italo Ribeiro italo.ribeiro at gmail.com
Mon Sep 13 21:52:53 EDT 2010


Hi Jim,

I get the solution, the problem is that i am dont select position correctly
with mouse. I stop use integer and use now float for get position the mouse
cilck and i now i get the correct values.

One observation, the positions the ITKsnap and vtk are be differents. The Y
axi is inverted.

Thank you for everything.

2010/9/13 Jim Peterson <jimcp at cox.net>

> Italo,
> I am not sure what I am supposed to "look very close" at, nor what actual
> problem we are addressing. What you have raised is a technical need to
> access the scalar data for an image in vtk, could easily be a classroom
> assignment, and not a problem I have any great interest in.
> Have you implemented a point picker in vtk to interact with the 3d model in
> vtk to access the scalar values for selected points? I believe you will find
> each structured grid "point" to be a 3d space location derived from the row
> and column location in a dicom image file, the combination of row, column
> and file number times the sample spacing results in a location is space for
> the point. the radio intensity value results in a scalar. at a sufficient
> scaling a point scalar is a voxel scalar is a pixel scalar, depending on
> whether we are talking the structured grid in 3d space, a surface element in
> the space or a row and column in a single dicom image file.
>
> The image of the dicom data loaded is generated in itk and vtk by similar
> "surface generating" algorithms that construct polygon defined surfaces
> connecting points with similar scalar values. So if ITKSnap and vtk both
> generate similar images, they are both finding similar scalar data.
> I am afraid I am at the end if my interest in this problem,
> Jim
>
> Italo Ribeiro wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim and Bill,
>>
>> Look very closed, in ITKsnap the slice 1 is slice 107 in my code, but when
>> i get the value, i am getting the same slice.
>>
>> I are begining think that i must get values intensity of voxel and not
>> point. Look for cell data in vtk, i dont find one function that
>> "GetScalarCell()", so how i get cell data in vtk? I must use
>> "GetCell(100)->Derivatives()"? Cell = Voxel?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> 2010/9/12 Bill Lorensen <bill.lorensen at gmail.com <mailto:
>> bill.lorensen at gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>>    vtk images are flipped in the y -direction. This is because vtk takes
>>    a "computer graphics" view of images while itk takes a "medical" view.
>>
>>    In itk, the first pixel in memory is the first pixel on disk. In vtk,
>>    the first pixel in memory is the first pixel of the last y "line".
>>
>>    On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Jim Peterson <jimcp at cox.net
>>    <mailto:jimcp at cox.net>> wrote:
>>    > ok, I believe we have a registration problem between the vtk model
>>    > coordinates and the ITKSnap model coordinates. if I understand
>>    the data you
>>    > have given, we have some point data like:
>>    >
>>    > tested point
>>    >        ITKSnap value
>>    >        ITK Snap Material
>>    >        VTK Value
>>    >        Vtk Material
>>    > pt1
>>    >        2318
>>    >        dense bone
>>    >        -1024
>>    >        air (-1000 is air at STP calibration)
>>    > pt2
>>    >        2210
>>    >        dense bone
>>    >        1023
>>    >        soft bone
>>    > pt3
>>    >        2410
>>    >        dense bone
>>    >        41
>>    >        watery liquid (0 is water at STP calibration)
>>    > pt4
>>    >        2130
>>    >        dense bone
>>    >        993
>>    >        soft bone
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > We agree all of these values are reasonable for some location in
>>    a dental
>>    > scan. I believe the problem is, in spite of expectations and
>>    intentions, the
>>    > location tested are not from the same input data, maybe the
>>    coordinate
>>    > schemes in vtk and itk do not match. Can you find corresponding
>>    values in
>>    > the ITKSnap? perhaps by transposing a coordinate location? can
>>    we find
>>    > locations to "sample" in the vtk model that produce the dense
>>    bone values?
>>    >
>>    > does that make sense?
>>    > Hope that helps,
>>    > Jim
>>    >
>>    > Italo Ribeiro wrote:
>>    >>
>>    >> Hi Jim,
>>    >>
>>    >> The value not is same the entire tooth, the diferents values
>>    are the same
>>    >> point. In point (226, 100, 1) the values are:
>>    >>
>>    >> ITKsnap : 2130
>>    >> Mycode: 993
>>    >>
>>    >> 2010/9/12 Jim Peterson <jimcp at cox.net <mailto:jimcp at cox.net>
>>    <mailto:jimcp at cox.net <mailto:jimcp at cox.net>>>
>>    >>
>>    >>    Hi Italo,
>>    >>
>>    >>    I am not an ITKSnap user myself, you are suggesting ITKSnap
>>    >>    reports the same value for the entire tooth? I think you would
>>    >>    have to iterate over the points in the tooth to find the maximum
>>    >>    value in vtk to duplicate that if it is true. Can you
>>    display the
>>    >>    point coordinates that have that value in ITKSnap? Then see
>>    if vtk
>>    >>    has the same value at that point? I have trouble believing
>>    vtk has
>>    >>    incorrect pixel data by point for imaging content.
>>    >>
>>    >>    Jim
>>    >>
>>    >>    Italo Ribeiro wrote:
>>    >>
>>    >>        Hi Jim,
>>    >>
>>    >>        I have dicom image with teeth, i am looking intensity values
>>    >>        of 2 front teeth.
>>    >>
>>    >>        But some happen very strange, the tooth the left have
>>    greater
>>    >>        intensity in ITKsnap 2518 and my code -1024. The tooth the
>>    >>        right side have in ITKsnap 2402 and in my code 41. I do not
>>    >>        know why the values are different.
>>    >>
>>    >>        In my code i get 255 points of heigh and width, but when
>>    i get
>>    >>        dimension the image, vtk show 512 x 512, same dimesion
>>    show in
>>    >>        ITKsnap. ITKsnap get dimension of voxels, so i must get
>>    >>        information the intensity value voxel of volume and no pixel
>>    >>        the image?
>>    >>
>>    >>        thanks.
>>    >>
>>    >>        2010/9/11 Jim Peterson <jimcp at cox.net
>>    <mailto:jimcp at cox.net> <mailto:jimcp at cox.net <mailto:jimcp at cox.net>>
>>    >>        <mailto:jimcp at cox.net <mailto:jimcp at cox.net>
>>    <mailto:jimcp at cox.net <mailto:jimcp at cox.net>>>>
>>    >>
>>    >>
>>    >>           Personally, I am sorry, but there is not enough
>>    information in
>>    >>           your description of the problem to be sure you have a
>>    >>        legitimate
>>    >>           complaint. does your dicom data consist of only one
>>    point?
>>    >>        how are
>>    >>           you certain you have selected the exact same location?
>>    >>
>>    >>           in my mainframe programming life we have a saying:
>>    >>
>>    >>           "when expected results do not match observed results,
>>    check the
>>    >>           library concatenation"
>>    >>
>>    >>           .... in my opinion, chances are you are looking at
>>    >>        different points.
>>    >>
>>    >>           sorry, Hoping to be helpful not critical.
>>    >>           Jim
>>    >>
>>    >>           Italo Ribeiro wrote:
>>    >>
>>    >>               No more ideas?
>>    >>
>>    >>               2010/9/10 Italo Ribeiro <italo.ribeiro at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com>
>>    >>        <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com>>
>>    >>               <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com>
>>    >>        <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com>>>
>>    >>               <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com>
>>    >>        <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com>>
>>    >>               <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com>
>>    >>        <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:italo.ribeiro at gmail.com>>>>>
>>    >>
>>    >>
>>    >>                  I am expecting MIP of image point. In my
>>    program the
>>    >>        value
>>    >>               for one
>>    >>                  point is 1023 and ITKsnap show 2210.
>>    >>
>>    >>                  Why the value is different?
>>    >>
>>    >>                  2010/9/10 John Drescher <drescherjm at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com>
>>    >>        <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com>>
>>    >>               <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com> <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com>>>
>>    >>                  <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com>
>>    >>        <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com>> <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com>
>>    >>        <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:drescherjm at gmail.com>>>>>
>>    >>
>>    >>
>>    >>
>>    >>                      > Using GetScalarType the type returned is
>>    >>        short, i was
>>    >>               using
>>    >>                      int. But the
>>    >>                      > value maximum showed is 1024 and i see the
>>    >>        maximum short
>>    >>                      value is 32767 and
>>    >>                      > the intensity value is not corret.
>>    >>                      >
>>    >>
>>    >>                      Depending on how you read the dicom file
>>    the value
>>    >>               should be in
>>    >>                      hounsfield units. I am confused on whether you
>>    >>        mean you
>>    >>               were
>>    >>                      expecting
>>    >>                      32767 or hounsfield.
>>    >>
>>    >>                      John
>>    >>
>>    >>
>>    >>
>>    >>
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