[Paraview] [EXTERNAL] vtkNetCDFCFReader parallel performance

Thu Feb 7 12:51:21 EST 2013

Hi Burlen,

I got the data from a different user and that's where he put the data. I
thought about copying it to $SCRATCH. I just thought though that it was
really funky that trying to read in data that was under 4 MB for a single
time step should be pretty fast for when I only have 24 processes asking
for data. I was thinking that using the scratch space would just be
covering up some deeper problem too in that I want to scale up to much more
than 24 processes. After all, any run that can't scale beyond 24 processes
shouldn't be running on Hopper anyways!

Andy

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Burlen Loring <bloring at lbl.gov> wrote:

>  Hi Andy,
>
> do you have a strong reason for using the global scratch fs? if not you
> may have better luck using hopper's dedicated lustre scratch. Spec quote >
> 2x bandwidth[*]. In reality I'm sure it depends on the number of user's
> hammering it at the time in question. may help to use lustre scratch while
> you're working on parallelization of the netcdf readers.
>
> Burlen
>
> *
> http://www.nersc.gov/users/computational-systems/hopper/file-storage-and-i-o/
>
>
> On 02/06/2013 03:35 PM, Andy Bauer wrote:
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> I think it's more than just a file contention issue. On hopper at nersc I
> did set DVS_MAXNODES to 14 and that helped out a lot. Without that set
> before I was able to run with 480 processes accessing the same data file
> (the 17*768*1152 with 324 time steps data set) but with the "bad" one
> that was 768*1152 with 9855 time steps I had problems with just 24
> processes.
>
> I have some things which I want to try out but I think you're right that
> using a parallel netcdf library should help a lot, if it doesn't cause
> conflicts.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
>  On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Moreland, Kenneth <kmorel at sandia.gov>wrote:
>
>>   This does not surprise me.  The current version of the netCDF reader
>> only uses the basic interface for accessing files, which is basically a
>> serial interface.  You are probably getting a lot of file request
>> contention.
>>
>>  At the time I wrote the netCDF reader, parallel versions were just
>> coming online.  I think it would be relatively straightforward to update
>> the reader to use collective parallel calls from a parallel netCDF library.
>>  Unfortunately, I have lost track on the status of the parallel netCDF
>> library and file formats.  Last I looked, there were actually two parallel
>> netCDF libraries and formats.  One version directly added collective
>> parallel calls to the library.  The other changed the format to use hdf5
>> under the covers and use the parallel calls therein.  These two libraries
>> use different formats for the files and I don't think are compatible with
>> each other.  Also, it might be the case for one or both libraries that you
>> cannot read the data in parallel if it was not written in parallel or
>> written in an older version of netCDF.
>>
>>  -Ken
>>
>>    From: Andy Bauer <andy.bauer at kitware.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 10:38 AM
>> To: "paraview at paraview.org" <paraview at paraview.org>, Kenneth Moreland <
>> kmorel at sandia.gov>
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] vtkNetCDFCFReader parallel performance
>>
>>   Hi Ken,
>>
>> I'm having some performance issues with a fairly large NetCDF file using
>> the vtkNetCDFCFReader. The dimensions of it are 768 lat, 1152 lon and 9855
>> time steps (no elevation dimension). It has one float variable with these
>> dimensions -- pr(time, lat, lon). This results in a file around 33 GB. I'm
>> running on hopper and for small amounts of processes (at most 24 which is
>> the number of cores per node) and the run time seems to increase
>> dramatically as I add more processes. The tests I did read in the first 2
>> time steps and did nothing else. The results are below but weren't done too
>> rigorously:
>>
>> numprocs -- time
>> 1  -- 1:22
>> 2 -- 1:52
>> 4 -- 7:52
>> 8 -- 5:34
>> 16 -- 10:46
>> 22 -- 10:37
>> 24 -- didn't complete on hopper's "regular" node with 32 GB of memory but
>> I was able to run it in a reasonable amount of time on hopper's big memory
>> nodes with 64 GB of memory.
>>
>> I have the data in a reasonable place on hopper. I'm still playing around
>> with settings (things get a bit better if I set DVS_MAXNODES --
>> http://www.nersc.gov/users/computational-systems/hopper/performance-and-optimization/hopperdvs/)
>> but this seems a bit weird as I'm not having any problems like this on a
>> data set that has spatial dimensions of 17*768*1152 with 324 time steps.
>>
>> Any quick thoughts on this? I'm still investigating but was hoping you
>> could point out if I'm doing anything stupid.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>
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