[Insight-users] OtsuThresholdImageFilter

[Radhika Sivaramakrishna]

Hi Luis,
Thanks for the clarification. Now its clear.
Radhika


-----Original Message-----
From: Luis Ibanez [mailto:luis.ibanez at kitware.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:36 PM
To: Radhika Sivaramakrishna
Cc: insight-users at itk.org
Subject: Re: [Insight-users] OtsuThresholdImageFilter



Hi Radhika,

Sorry for the ambiguity of my email,

When I said

  "Note that there is a point where this is actually
   a problem for a Gaussian Mixture Model."


I meant that the Gaussian Mixture Modeling approach
was indeed suitable for solving the "problem" of
classifying your image in three intensity classes.


    Regards,


        Luis



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Radhika Sivaramakrishna wrote:

> Hi Luis,
> An OtsuMultipleThresholdImageFilter would be a great idea where we can
> Pass in the input image and the number of expected thresholds, and it
> will
> do the whole thing and return a labeled image. Yes, so I would love to
> have such a filter. 
> 
> Thanks for your suggestions on the EM model and Markov random fields.
> However, I didn't understand your comment regarding the problem with the
> GMM. Could you explain?
> 
> Thanks
> Radhika
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luis Ibanez [mailto:luis.ibanez at kitware.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:28 AM
> To: Radhika Sivaramakrishna
> Cc: insight-users at itk.org
> Subject: Re: [Insight-users] OtsuThresholdImageFilter
> 
> 
> Hi Radhika,
> 
> It seems that what you want is a sort of
> 
>     OstsuMultipleThresholdImageFilter
> 
> that is, an image filter that will package
> the entire operation for you. Including,
> the instatntiation and computation of a
> histogram, the instantiation and computation
> of an OtsuMultipleThreshold Calculator and
> the actual filtering of the image in order
> to produce a labeled image.
> 
> Please confirm is this is what you are looking
> for, and in that case we can put together such
> a filter, since this seems to be a functionality
> that will be useful for many users.
> 
> Note that there is a point where this is actually
> a problem for a Gaussian Mixture Model. In which
> case, there are other classes in ITK that are well
> suited for solving that classification problem.
> 
> 
> In fact, there is a "Expectation Maximization
> Mixture Model Estimation" example in the ITK
> Software Guide
> 
>        http://www.itk.org/ItkSoftwareGuide.pdf
> 
> Section 10.3.3, pdf-page 475,
> 
> 
> Yet another option is to use Markov Random Fields,
> for which ITK have several filters too.
> 
> 
> 
>     Regards,
> 
> 
> 
>        Luis
> 
> 
> 
> -------------------------------
> Radhika Sivaramakrishna wrote:
> 
>>Hi Luis,
>>Thanks for your prompt response. Yes, I did have a couple of
> 
> questions.
> 
>>1) I checked the documentation for OtsuMultipleThresholds. It is
>>templated on input histogram. It says you have to specify the target
>>histogram. What does this mean? Is there a way to just pass the
> 
> original
> 
>>image with the number of thresholds you want to identify, and it
> 
> should
> 
>>return the thresholds that best separate the multiple classes?
>>
>>2) Do you have recommendations for other types of filters/methods I
> 
> can
> 
>>use to separate an image into essentially three portions, a background
>>which is darker, a foreground, another region within foreground which
> 
> in
> 
>>general is brighter than the rest of the foreground.
>>
>>Thanks
>>Radhika
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Luis Ibanez [mailto:luis.ibanez at kitware.com] 
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:41 PM
>>To: Radhika Sivaramakrishna
>>Cc: insight-users at itk.org
>>Subject: Re: [Insight-users] OtsuThresholdImageFilter
>>
>>
>>Hi Radhika,
>>
>>
>>In the Doxygen documentation, there are entries for the three classes
>>
>>
> 
> http://www.itk.org/Insight/Doxygen/html/classitk_1_1OtsuThresholdImageFi
> 
>>lter.html
>>
> 
> http://www.itk.org/Insight/Doxygen/html/classitk_1_1OtsuMultipleThreshol
> 
>>dsCalculator.html
>>
> 
> http://www.itk.org/Insight/Doxygen/html/classitk_1_1OtsuThresholdImageCa
> 
>>lculator.html
>>
>>
>>The classes
>>
>>        OtsuMultipleThresholdsCalculator
>>        OtsuThresholdImageFilter
>>
>>are relatively new,
>>
>>
>>the first one dates from March, (contributed by Luca Antiga)
>>the second dates from July
>>
>>
>>
>>OtsuMultipleThresholds allows you to compute thresholds from
>>gray scale statistical distributlis that are multimodal, while
>>the original OtsuThreshold calculator was intended for Bimodal
>>distributions.
>>
>>
>>The OtsuThresholdImageFilter it a thresholding filter that
>>internally computes the threshold for you image by using
>>an OtsuThresholdCalculator.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Please let us know if you have further questions,
>>
>>
>>     Thanks
>>
>>
>>       Luis
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>Radhika Sivaramakrishna wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>In the documentation only the OtsuThresholdImageCalculator is written.
>>
>>
>>>However, in the Insight library, we also have 
>>>OtsuMultipleThresholdsCalculator and OtsuThresholdImageFilter.
>>>
>>>Does anyone know how to use these, and why are they not available in
>>
>>the 
>>
>>
>>>documentation?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Radhika
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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