[Ctk-developers] [slicer-devel] DICOM Module

Mon Feb 17 13:40:08 UTC 2014

Thanks, Steve. I will pick up the discussion with the CTK folks.
I really like the modularization/OSGI features of CTK, but I see a lot of
room for improvement on the UX side.
By day, I work on an in-house Clear Canvas based RIS/PACS system for a
large hospital network, and I see all the
time how little UI improvements make big differences for the users.

Cheers,
Aaron

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Steve Pieper <pieper at isomics.com> wrote:

> Hi Aaron -
>
> I suggest we move this discussion over to the ctk-developers mailing list
> (you might want to sign up [1] if you haven't already) since as you saw
> that level of the code is housed in CTK and there's active work going on
> among that group.  I've cc'd ctk-developers here to get the ball rolling.
>
> Regarding the shared/static libraries issue with DCMTK it would be great
> to file that as an issue on the ctk issue tracker [2].  Probably the
> configuration of the ctkDICOM2 executable isn't getting the right flags.
>
> As for the user interface options you are right - there's a lot that can
> be done to simplify/streamline the interface.  There's been quite some
> research and discussion on that [3] and your contributions would be most
> welcome.  Alireza at BWH and Andreas at DKFZ have been taking the lead on
> this and we're aiming for an architecture that allows the flexibility to
> support various use cases as seen in Slicer and MITK.
>
> By the way, as a reminder to people with an interest in this topic, please
> sign up on the wiki page if you plan to attend the May CTK hackfest [4]
> either in person or electronically.
>
> Best,
> Steve
>
> [1] http://public.kitware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ctk-developers
>
> [2] https://github.com/commontk/CTK/issues
>
> [3]
> http://www.na-mic.org/Wiki/index.php/2014_Project_Week:Slicer_DICOM_Module_Interface_Redesign
>
> [4] http://www.commontk.org/index.php/CTK-Hackfest-May-2014
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Aaron Boxer <boxerab at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Steve. I did manage to build CTK under VS 2010.
>>
>> It seems that the Cmake script caused DCMTK to build as static libaries,
>> but when I tried to run ctkDICOM2, it was looking
>> for ofstd.dll, for example. So, these dlls were not in the CTK build.
>> Once I put the Slicer DCMTK binary
>> folder on the path, ctkDICOM2 ran ok. But the CMake script may need to be
>> fixed.
>>
>> My ideas on changing the interface run along the lines of the ClearCanvas
>> workstation:
>>
>> See the first screenshot on the left here
>>
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/clearcanvas/
>>
>> for more details.
>>
>> Having all search controls and search results on one page makes the
>> search experience quite pleasant.
>> Also, since a PACS workflow is study based, you only need to have a
>> single table of studies, rather than
>> the three in the current implementation: patient, study, series.  The
>> user can always search by patient id or name
>> if they want.
>>
>> Once I get familiar with the code, I will see if I can come up with a
>> prototype for this.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Aaron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Steve Pieper <pieper at isomics.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Aaron -
>>>
>>> Thanks for your offer of help - much appreciated!
>>>
>>> In terms of development, you can build the CTK code stand-alone and use
>>> the ctkDICOM2 application as a stand alone to do query/retrieve and play
>>> with the database display.  This is pretty quick since the testing app is
>>> small.
>>>
>>> On the slicer side, everything is just python code that uses the widgets
>>> from the ctk code.  Since slicer takes a while to start up, I typically use
>>> a little helper code to rebuild a copy of the DICOM module for testing.
>>>  Slicer allows you to have a .slicerrc.py in your home directory that loads
>>> a script with customizations.  I have a .slicerrc.py file in github [1]
>>> that includes a reloader for the DICOM module [2].  So if you edit the
>>> python code and hit a keybinding [3] you get a new copy of the interface
>>> without exiting and re-starting slicer.  This makes it pretty efficient to
>>> tweak & test the python code  quickly.
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>>
>>> [1] https://github.com/pieper/SlicerRC
>>>
>>> [2] https://github.com/pieper/SlicerRC/blob/master/slicerrc.py#L186-L212
>>>
>>> [3] https://github.com/pieper/SlicerRC/blob/master/slicerrc.py#L250
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Aaron Boxer <boxerab at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Steve. I'm happy to fix bugs.
>>>>
>>>> What is your dev environment like?  Can you build the DICOM widget
>>>> standalone, or do you need to run it from the Slicer project?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Steve Pieper <pieper at isomics.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Aaron -
>>>>>
>>>>> The code is split between the core functionality in ctk [1] and the
>>>>> slicer module's use of that code [2].  You could review and contribute to
>>>>> the issues [3].
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://github.com/commontk/CTK/tree/master/Libs/DICOM
>>>>>
>>>>> [2]
>>>>> https://github.com/Slicer/Slicer/tree/master/Modules/Scripted/DICOM
>>>>>
>>>>> [3]
>>>>> http://na-mic.org/Bug/search.php?project_id=3&category=Module+DICOM&sticky_issues=on&sortby=last_updated&dir=DESC&hide_status_id=90
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Aaron Boxer <boxerab at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have some ideas about improving the user expericne for the DICOM
>>>>>> widget. What tools would I need to build and modify this ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks very much,
>>>>>> Aaron
>>>>>>
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