[Ctk-developers] DCMTK_DIR is found incorrectly

[Steve Pieper]

I was planning to just start the hangout and then email the link - do you
find that scheduling the event has advantages?  Wouldn't we need a ctk
google group or something?

Talk to you tomorrow,
-Steve


On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Jean-Christophe Fillion-Robin <
jchris.fillionr at kitware.com> wrote:

> Works for me. Could you create a Google event/hangout ?
> Talk to you tomorrow,
> Jc
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Steve Pieper <pieper at ibility.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Csaba -
>>
>> Andreas is here and working on some of the coding input from Julien (but
>> the emails to him from the CTK list aren't working right now for some
>> reason).
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Csaba Pinter <csaba.pinter at queensu.ca>wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi Steve,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Definitely, I can join the hangout tomorrow. Thanks for discussing the
>>> issue!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are the DKFZ fellas going to work on the list-based DICOM browser? We'd
>>> like to at least start integrating the display database and DICOM roles we
>>> implemented last time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> csaba
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Pieper [mailto:pieper at ibility.net]
>>> *Sent:* November 4, 2013 10:02
>>> *To:* Csaba Pinter
>>> *Cc:* Jean-Christophe Fillion-Robin; CTK mailing list
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ctk-developers] DCMTK_DIR is found incorrectly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Csaba, Jc -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> London calling (always wanted to say that).  We talked over the issue a
>>> bit and didn't see any obvious issues but there was a request from some
>>> folks for a further discussion of the underlying issue so we put it on the
>>> agenda for a Tuesday afternoon (15:00 London time) hangout.  Does that work
>>> for you two?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most of the work here this week so far is on CLI, XNAT/REST API, and
>>> DICOM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.commontk.org/index.php/CTK-Hackfest-Nov-2013
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Csaba Pinter <csaba.pinter at queensu.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi JC,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it seems to have solved our CTK build problem. The reason I was
>>> asking about opinions is that I don't know what repercussions it may have
>>> on other platforms.
>>>
>>> If it seems OK the I'd appreciate propagating it to the CTK core or ITK.
>>> I can create a CTK topic branch containing the change if it makes the
>>> process easier.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> csaba
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jean-Christophe Fillion-Robin [mailto:
>>> jchris.fillionr at kitware.com]
>>> *Sent:* November 4, 2013 09:30
>>> *To:* Csaba Pinter
>>> *Cc:* pieper at bwh.harvard.edu; CTK mailing list
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ctk-developers] DCMTK_DIR is found incorrectly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Based on your entry in the CTK tracker. I am assuming it is good to go ?
>>> See https://github.com/commontk/CTK/issues/382
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Jean-Christophe Fillion-Robin <
>>> jchris.fillionr at kitware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Csaba,
>>>
>>> After you confirm that adding NO_DEFAULT_PATH to [1] works. I will
>>> coordinate with ITK folks so that they also update their FindDCMTK.cmake
>>> file.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jc
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://github.com/commontk/CTK/blob/f64b68acd717dab060db41e8bee3f0f30df1a58f/Utilities/CMake/FindDCMTK.cmake#L42
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Csaba Pinter <csaba.pinter at queensu.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was going to do just that, thanks for the reminder!
>>>
>>> I created issue https://github.com/commontk/CTK/issues/382.
>>>
>>> The main reason I haven't created a topic branch yet is that I would
>>> like to hear some opinions about it first, as I don't know what
>>> consequences it has on Linux and Mac.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FYI my agenda for next week besides this small change is to try our
>>> display tables and DICOM roles enhancement for the DICOM browser (that
>>> Andras and I implemented during the last hackfest) against the latest
>>> listview-based browser and integrate it if it turns out to be working fine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> csaba
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Pieper [mailto:pieper at ibility.net]
>>> *Sent:* October 31, 2013 16:37
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* Csaba Pinter
>>> *Cc:* CTK mailing list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ctk-developers] DCMTK_DIR is found incorrectly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Csaba -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We'll be discussing open issues next week in London - can you make sure
>>> there's a ctk issue that points to your assembla report?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.commontk.org/index.php/CTK-Hackfest-Nov-2013#Monday
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Csaba Pinter <csaba.pinter at queensu.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts about the FindDCMTK changes proposed below?
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate any feedback.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> csaba
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ctk-developers-bounces at commontk.org [mailto:
>>> ctk-developers-bounces at commontk.org] *On Behalf Of *Csaba Pinter
>>> *Sent:* October 10, 2013 15:14
>>> *To:* CTK mailing list
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ctk-developers] DCMTK_DIR is found incorrectly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I tried the NO_DEFAULT_PATH idea Jc was suggesting (see below), and now
>>> I could successfully build CTK with DCMTK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As we have the same issue from time to time with CTK in Slicer (but
>>> finally we could reproduce it, see [1]), I propose adding this flag to
>>> FindDCMTK.cmake in the CTK master, at least until the DCMTKConfig.cmake
>>> change is not integrated to DCMTK.
>>>
>>> As my CMake knowledge is limited, I don't know if this change causes any
>>> problem on other operating systems though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate to hear your opinions about this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> csaba
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://www.assembla.com/spaces/slicerrt/tickets/325#/activity/ticket
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jean-Christophe Fillion-Robin [
>>> mailto:jchris.fillionr at kitware.com <jchris.fillionr at kitware.com>]
>>> *Sent:* October 4, 2013 18:34
>>> *To:* Csaba Pinter
>>> *Cc:* Andras Lasso; CTK mailing list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ctk-developers] DCMTK_DIR is found incorrectly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Csaba,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As illustrated in the enclosed screenshot, build tree can be exported
>>> into the CMake package registry. As some point, the DCMTK build tree has
>>> probably been exported [1][2][3].
>>>
>>> Since when building CTK, it is expected that there are no
>>> DCMTKConfig.cmake available, the first should be failing. In your case, it
>>> seems not to be failing because it resolves to that previous build added to
>>> the registery.
>>>
>>> I would suggest to try adding the parameter "NO_DEFAULT_PATH" to the
>>> FindDCMTK.cmake module available in CTK. See [4]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hth
>>>
>>> Jc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/v2.8.11/cmake.html#command:export
>>> [2]
>>> http://slicer-devel.65872.n3.nabble.com/Packaging-seems-to-work-again-tp4028121p4028134.html
>>>
>>> [3]
>>> https://www.assembla.com/spaces/slicerrt/tickets/244-dcmtk_dir-vs--dcmtkconfig-cmake?comment=267984263#comment:267984263
>>>
>>> [4]
>>> https://github.com/commontk/CTK/blob/f64b68acd717dab060db41e8bee3f0f30df1a58f/Utilities/CMake/FindDCMTK.cmake#L42
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Csaba Pinter <csaba.pinter at queensu.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jc,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I tried building CTK in many ways, but the result is always the same, so
>>> the problem is completely reproducible, at least on my computer (I haven't
>>> tried it elsewhere yet, but I plan to). As we have been struggling with
>>> this issue for quite a while, but haven't been able to consistently
>>> reproduce it, this is a great opportunity to fix it once and for all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I did some digging and this is what I found:
>>>
>>> -          FindDCMTK.cmake finds DCMTKConfig.cmake, but it is in the
>>> incorrect directory that is used later (in one of my slicer builds)
>>>
>>> -          The reason why the DCMTK downloaded by the superbuild is not
>>> found is most probably that it is a version that doesn't have
>>> DCMTKConfig.cmake (as you described earlier)
>>>
>>> -          The same thing (finding the wrong DCMTK) happens if I add
>>> NO_CMAKE_BUILDS_PATH to the find_package call in FindDCMTK.cmake
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now I don't have any idea how to get the superbuild to use its own DCMTK.
>>>
>>> Also even if I can do a workaround and have a good build of CTK on my
>>> machine, this is an issue that other people who want to build CTK on
>>> Windows while already having a Slicer build have to face.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> csaba
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jean-Christophe Fillion-Robin [mailto:
>>> jchris.fillionr at kitware.com]
>>> *Sent:* October 4, 2013 12:07
>>> *To:* Andras Lasso
>>> *Cc:* Csaba Pinter; CTK mailing list
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ctk-developers] DCMTK_DIR is found incorrectly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Csaba, Andras,
>>>
>>> Within the file FindDCMTK.cmake [1] provided by CTK, where would you
>>> suggest to add the NO_CMAKE_BUILDS_PATH ?
>>>
>>> Let's also note that the FindDCMTK.cmake provided by ITK would have to
>>> patched also ...
>>>
>>> If you can reproduce the problem, with a combination of clearing cache +
>>> adding some "message()" statement, you should be able to find out or
>>> confirm what is the source of the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jc
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>>
>>> https://github.com/commontk/CTK/blob/master/Utilities/CMake/FindDCMTK.cmake
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Andras Lasso <lasso at queensu.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have this annoying issue during Slicer builds as well: my nightly
>>> slicer builds usually break after a few days because after I configure
>>> other projects in CMake CTK finds DCMTK of another project instead of its
>>> own.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It may be due to the find_package path finding rule 5: “Search project
>>> build trees recently configured in a CMake GUI. This can be skipped if
>>> NO_CMAKE_BUILDS_PATH is passed. It is intended for the case when a user is
>>> building multiple dependent projects one after another.“ (
>>> http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/v2.8.10/ctest.html). Probably CTK
>>> should rely on rules 1-4 or disable rule 5 – or it may be possible that
>>> something else goes wrong and that’s why the rule 5 kicks in.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andras
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ctk-developers-bounces at commontk.org [mailto:
>>> ctk-developers-bounces at commontk.org] *On Behalf Of *Jean-Christophe
>>> Fillion-Robin
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:39 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* Csaba Pinter
>>> *Cc:* CTK mailing list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ctk-developers] DCMTK_DIR is found incorrectly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Csaba,
>>>
>>> In CTKConfig, the variable "CMAKE_MODULE_PATH" is a CMake global
>>> variable that is empty by default. On the other hand
>>> "CTK_CMAKE_UTILITIES_DIR" should not be empty as illustrated below:
>>>
>>> $ cat ../CTKConfig.cmake | ack -i "set\(CTK_CMAKE_UTILITIES_DIR"
>>> SET(CTK_CMAKE_UTILITIES_DIR "/home/jchris/Projects/CTK/Utilities/CMake")
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Otherwise, you will find below the result of my experiment. When
>>> configured, CTK found the expected DCMTK.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Ubuntu 13.04 using CMake 2.8.11.2, after installing the package
>>> "python2.7-dev" doing so the following works.
>>>
>>> Note that I didn't enable CTK_ENABLE_ALL since I didn't the build system
>>> to build VTK or ITK components. Instead, I passed the following options:
>>>   -DCTK_ENABLE_Python_Wrapping:BOOL=ON
>>>   -DCTK_ENABLE_DICOM:BOOL=ON
>>>   -DCTK_BUILD_EXAMPLES
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> $ git clone git at github.com:commontk/CTK
>>>
>>> $ mkdir CTK-Debug
>>>
>>> $ cd CTK-Debug
>>>
>>> $ cmake
>>> -DQT_QMAKE_EXECUTABLE:FILEPATH=/home/jchris/Support/QtSDK-1.2.1/Desktop/Qt/4.8.1/gcc/bin/qmake
>>> -DCTK_ENABLE_Python_Wrapping:BOOL=ON -DCTK_ENABLE_DICOM:BOOL=ON
>>> -DCTK_BUILD_EXAMPLES:BOOL=ON ../CTK
>>> [...]
>>> -- Enabling [CTK_LIB_DICOM/Core] because of [ CTK_ENABLE_DICOM:1 OR (
>>> CTK_ENABLE_DICOMApplicationHosting:0 AND CTK_BUILD_EXAMPLES:1 )] evaluates
>>> to True
>>> -- Enabling [CTK_APP_ctkDICOM] because of [ CTK_ENABLE_DICOM:1 AND
>>> CTK_BUILD_EXAMPLES:1] evaluates to True
>>> -- Enabling [CTK_APP_ctkDICOM2] because of [ CTK_ENABLE_DICOM:1 AND
>>> CTK_BUILD_EXAMPLES:1] evaluates to True
>>> -- Enabling [CTK_APP_ctkDICOMIndexer] because of [ CTK_ENABLE_DICOM:1
>>> AND CTK_BUILD_EXAMPLES:1] evaluates to True
>>> -- Enabling [CTK_APP_ctkDICOMDemoSCU] because of [ CTK_ENABLE_DICOM:1
>>> AND CTK_BUILD_EXAMPLES:1] evaluates to True
>>> -- Enabling [CTK_APP_ctkDICOMQuery] because of [ CTK_ENABLE_DICOM:1 AND
>>> CTK_BUILD_EXAMPLES:1] evaluates to True
>>> -- Enabling [CTK_APP_ctkDICOMRetrieve] because of [ CTK_ENABLE_DICOM:1
>>> AND CTK_BUILD_EXAMPLES:1] evaluates to True
>>> -- Enabling [CTK_APP_ctkDICOMQueryRetrieve] because of [
>>> CTK_ENABLE_DICOM:1 AND CTK_BUILD_EXAMPLES:1] evaluates to True
>>> -- Enabling [CTK_APP_ctkCommandLineModuleExplorer] because of [
>>> CTK_BUILD_EXAMPLES:1] evaluates to True
>>> -- Enabling [CTK_APP_ctkDICOMObjectViewer] because of [
>>> CTK_ENABLE_DICOM:1 AND CTK_BUILD_EXAMPLES:1] evaluates to True
>>> -- Enabling [CTK_APP_ctkSimplePythonShell] because of [
>>> CTK_ENABLE_Python_Wrapping:1 AND CTK_BUILD_EXAMPLES:1] evaluates to True
>>> -- Generated: /home/jchris/Projects/CTK-Debug/DGraphInput-alldep.txt
>>> -- Generated:
>>> /home/jchris/Projects/CTK-Debug/DGraphInput-alldep-withext.txt
>>> -- Enabling option [CTK_LIB_DICOM/Widgets] required by [ctkDICOM]
>>> -- Enabling option [CTK_LIB_Widgets] required by [ctkDICOM]
>>> -- Enabling option [CTK_LIB_CommandLineModules/Frontend/QtGui] required
>>> by [ctkCommandLineModuleExplorer]
>>> -- Enabling option [CTK_LIB_CommandLineModules/Frontend/QtWebKit]
>>> required by [ctkCommandLineModuleExplorer]
>>> -- Enabling option [CTK_LIB_CommandLineModules/Backend/LocalProcess]
>>> required by [ctkCommandLineModuleExplorer]
>>> -- Enabling option [CTK_LIB_CommandLineModules/Backend/FunctionPointer]
>>> required by [ctkCommandLineModuleExplorer]
>>> -- Enabling option [CTK_LIB_CommandLineModules/Core] required by
>>> [ctkCommandLineModuleExplorer]
>>> -- Enabling option [CTK_LIB_Scripting/Python/Widgets] required by
>>> [ctkSimplePythonShell]
>>> -- Enabling option [CTK_LIB_Scripting/Python/Core] required by
>>> [ctkSimplePythonShell]
>>> -- Found PythonInterp: /usr/bin/python (found version "2.7.4")
>>> -- Found PythonLibs: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpython2.7.so (found
>>> version "2.7.4")
>>> -- Generated: /home/jchris/Projects/CTK-Debug/DGraphInput.txt
>>> -- Generated: /home/jchris/Projects/CTK-Debug/Project.xml
>>> -- Found Git: /usr/bin/git (found version "1.8.1.2")
>>> -- Configuring done
>>> -- Generating done
>>> -- Build files have been written to: /home/jchris/Projects/CTK-Debug
>>>
>>> $ make -j6
>>> [...]
>>> [ 90%] Performing configure step for 'CTK-Configure'
>>> [...]
>>> -- Found PythonInterp: /usr/bin/python (found version "2.7.4")
>>> -- Found PythonLibs: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpython2.7.so (found
>>> version "2.7.4")
>>> -- Generated: /home/jchris/Projects/CTK-Debug/CTK-build/DGraphInput.txt
>>> -- Generated: /home/jchris/Projects/CTK-Debug/CTK-build/Project.xml
>>> -- Trying to find DCMTK expecting DCMTKConfig.cmake
>>> -- Trying to find DCMTK expecting DCMTKConfig.cmake - failed
>>> -- Trying to find DCMTK relying on FindDCMTK.cmake
>>> -- Looking for include file pthread.h
>>> -- Looking fothe r include file pthread.h - found
>>> -- Looking for pthread_create
>>> -- Looking for pthread_create - not found
>>> -- Looking for pthread_create in pthreads
>>> -- Looking for pthread_create in pthreads - not found
>>> -- Looking for pthread_create in pthread
>>> -- Looking for pthread_create in pthread - found
>>> -- Found Threads: TRUE
>>> -- Found DCMTK:
>>> /home/jchris/Projects/CTK-Debug/CMakeExternals/Install/include/dcmtk/config
>>>
>>> -- Trying to find DCMTK relying on FindDCMTK.cmake - ok
>>> -- CTKCore: BFD support disabled
>>> -- Configuring done
>>> -- Generating done
>>> [...]
>>> -- Build files have been written to:
>>> /home/jchris/Projects/CTK-Debug/CTK-build
>>>
>>> [...]
>>> [100%] Built target CTKWidgetsCppTests
>>> [100%] Built target CTK-build
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> $ cd CTK-build
>>> $ $ cat CMakeCache.txt | ack DCMTK_DIR\:PATH
>>> DCMTK_DIR:PATH=/home/jchris/Projects/CTK-Debug/CMakeExternals/Install
>>>
>>> Let's note that DCMTK couldn't be found using DCMTKConfig.cmake, this is
>>> explained by the fact the official DCMTK didn't integrate yet our latest
>>> and greatest contribution [1]
>>>
>>> Hth
>>>
>>> Jc
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://github.com/commontk/DCMTK/commit/f461865d1759854db56e4c840991c81c77e45bb9
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Csaba Pinter <csaba.pinter at queensu.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm trying to build CTK separately, but I have problems with linking
>>> DCMTK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The way I build CTK:
>>>
>>> -          Turn on CTK_BUILD_ALL
>>>
>>> -          Turn on CTK_ENABLE_DICOM (I need this as I want to merge and
>>> test my changes in the CTK/Core/DICOM project)
>>>
>>> -          Set the qmake executable
>>>
>>> -          Configure
>>>
>>> -          CMake complains about python paths, I set those manually
>>>
>>> -          Configure, Generate
>>>
>>> -          Build superbuild
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then DCMTK is downloaded and built by the superbuild, but later on, CTK
>>> projects find a completely different DCMTK directory (in my Slicer nightly
>>> build directory). I tried to manually add the DCMTK directory to CMake, but
>>> this variable does not exist in the superbuild (it is also not passed
>>> down), and setting it to the inner CTK project doesn't work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Basically no matter what I do, the DCMTK path is set to whatever
>>> find_project finds. This is what I found in CTKConfig.cmake:
>>>
>>> # Update CMake module path so that calling "find_package(DCMTK)" works
>>> as expected
>>>
>>> # after calling "find_package(CTK)"
>>>
>>> # Ideally projects like DCMTK or PythonQt should provide both "Config"
>>> and "Use" files.
>>>
>>> set(CMAKE_MODULE_PATH
>>>
>>>   ${CTK_CMAKE_UTILITIES_DIR}
>>>
>>>   ${CMAKE_MODULE_PATH}
>>>
>>>   )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now the problem with this is that ${CMAKE_MODULE_PATH} is empty, so
>>> there is no chance DCMTK is found correctly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can someone please help with this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>
>>> csaba
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> Csaba Pinter
>>>
>>> Medical Software Systems Engineer
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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