[ITK] Community versus Users Lists

Andras Lasso lasso at queensu.ca
Sat Apr 2 13:46:23 EDT 2016 

Instead of asking people to decide between final solutions (which is difficult for them and also doesn’t reveal actual preferences), please ask what people need. If preferences are known then you can choose the best fitting solution. For example good questions would be:


1.       I’m interested in discussions about how to use ITK:

a.       Yes

b.       Not that much, but I don’t mind getting emails about it

c.       No, and I don’t want to see any emails about it

2.       I’m interested in discussions about ITK internals and how it is being developed:

a.       Yes

b.       Not that much, but I don’t mind getting emails about it

c.       No, and I don’t want to see any emails about it

3.       If the ITK mailing list that I subscribed to changes in scope, then:

a.       Subscribe me to the new list

b.       Just remove me from the mailing list; I’ll subscribe manually to the new list if I’m interested

Andras

From: Matt McCormick [mailto:matt.mccormick at kitware.com]
Sent: April 2, 2016 12:18 PM
To: Dženan Zukić <dzenanz at gmail.com>
Cc: Andras Lasso <lasso at queensu.ca>; community at itk.org; insight-users at itk.org; ITK <insight-developers at itk.org>
Subject: Re: [ITK] Community versus Users Lists

Here is a draft of the poll:

  https://docs.google.com/forms/d/19BL8Gbb3Z0qdekys2i6keHPZSdkSOgbRg84mWOhEu8U/viewform
Are there any suggestions on the wording? Missing options?
Thanks,
Matt

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Matt McCormick <matt.mccormick at kitware.com<mailto:matt.mccormick at kitware.com>> wrote:
Doodle polls are usually for scheduling times only (as far as I am
aware).  Perhaps a Google Form?

M

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Dženan Zukić <dzenanz at gmail.com<mailto:dzenanz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> since ITK is now in a mature phase, there is not a lot of traffic on
> ITK-Developers. I suppose the best would be to completely transition to just
> one list (community) which was created for that purpose. This would simplify
> things.
>
> But having a poll sounds like a good idea. Did you mean something like a
> Doodle poll, or somehow restrict the poll to just the members of the 3
> mailing lists?
>
> Regards,
> Dženan
>
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Matt McCormick
> <matt.mccormick at kitware.com<mailto:matt.mccormick at kitware.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The current situation is not optimal, and it is difficult to keep all
>> parties involved happy.
>>
>> - Some people do not want to be bothered to subscribe to more than one
>> list, be it community, insight-users, or insight-developers.
>> - Some people on insight-developers do not want to be auto-subscribed
>> to a different list that has a different amount of traffic.
>> - There are a number of non-mailman interfaces to the mailing lists
>> that may not adapt to changes (Nabble, GMane, etc.), and some people
>> use these interfaces exclusively.
>>
>> Any change will result in some unhappy campers, but some change may
>> still be necessary to improve the status quo.
>>
>> Perhaps we should create a poll distributed to all lists to select a
>> way forward? Other constructive ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Andras Lasso <lasso at queensu.ca<mailto:lasso at queensu.ca>> wrote:
>> > I completely agree. Either a single community list or pair of
>> > devel&users
>> > makes sense.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > My personal experience: I've signed up to the community list when it was
>> > created and unsubscribed from users. However, it was quite annoying that
>> > I
>> > received emails from users list but my responses were bounced. So, I had
>> > to
>> > sign up again to the users list. I still don’t know where to send new
>> > posts:
>> > users or community.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Andras
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Michka Popoff
>> > Sent: March 26, 2016 14:24
>> > To: Matt McCormick
>> > Cc: community at itk.org<mailto:community at itk.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [ITK] Community versus Users Lists
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > one thought about this. If I remember well, (but I may be mistaken),
>> > the community at itk.org<mailto:community at itk.org> address was introduced to replace the two others.
>> >
>> > Now, we have to follow 3 different mailing lists. The mail traffic is
>> > okay
>> > for me on
>> > these 3 lists, so having only one would be great.
>> > It would help people to know which one to use.
>> >
>> > Or we should go back to the old behaviour, with a user/developer list.
>> > But I think developers want also to know what they users are doing,
>> > so they are often registered on the two (/three) anyway.
>> >
>> > Michka
>> >
>> >> On 17 Mar 2016, at 16:42, Matt McCormick <matt.mccormick at kitware.com<mailto:matt.mccormick at kitware.com>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Toby,
>> >>
>> >> To post to the insight-users or insight-developers list, your email
>> >> account currently needs to be subscribed there, too.
>> >>
>> >> Matt
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:47 AM, Wood, Tobias <tobias.wood at kcl.ac.uk<mailto:tobias.wood at kcl.ac.uk>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Hello,
>> >>>
>> >>> Apologies for a newbie question but this has been bugging me for a
>> >>> while.
>> >>> I am subscribed to the community at itk.org<mailto:community at itk.org> mailing list. As noted on the
>> >>> sign-up page, this also receives all the mail from insight-users (and
>> >>> insight-developers). When I try to reply to a message from one of
>> >>> these
>> >>> lists in my mail client, the reply-to address is set to insight-users.
>> >>> If I
>> >>> send the message as is, I get a failure message telling me I am not
>> >>> subscribed to the mailing list (which is correct).
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> How should I be responding to such e-mail threads? Will a reply to
>> >>> community at itk.org<mailto:community at itk.org> forward the message on to insight-users? Or should I
>> >>> be
>> >>> subscribing to all 3 mailing lists (seems suboptimal as I assume I
>> >>> will get
>> >>> multiple copies of messages).
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Toby
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Community mailing list
>> >>> Community at itk.org<mailto:Community at itk.org>
>> >>> http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/community
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Community mailing list
>> >> Community at itk.org<mailto:Community at itk.org>
>> >> http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/community
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Community mailing list
>> > Community at itk.org<mailto:Community at itk.org>
>> > http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/community
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community mailing list
>> Community at itk.org<mailto:Community at itk.org>
>> http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/community
>
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