<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I was able to reproduce it ( fortunately we have a playback mechanism) and it seems to be reproducible on demand as the actors look to be in the same resting position each time. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">The MTime for the actor and its matrix were well below max int32.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">But we do notice the the screen " flashes " just as it happens. Not sure if it's the whole screen, as our Qt main window is maximized and it happens very fast, or just the render areas.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Our actors are updated by our code ( not the MTime) somewhere greater than 83000 times at that point. I'm hoping to narrow down the time to be debuggable- let me know if anyone has any thought about the "flash". The flash happens on two different machines with 2 different Nvidia cards. Somewhere around 1-2 hours in ( but seems to be repeatable at exactly some time in that range, just hard to catch it without staring at a stop watch for an hour)</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Thanks </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Rick</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>Sent from my iPadm</div><div><br>On Mar 8, 2016, at 8:47 AM, David Gobbi <<a href="mailto:david.gobbi@gmail.com">david.gobbi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Richard,<div><br></div><div>Since only the low 32 bits are kept (the high bits are simply discarded), the wrap-around of the ModifiedTime is exactly the same as if a 32-bit unsigned integer was being incremented.</div><div><br></div><div> - David</div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Richard Frank <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rickfrank@me.com" target="_blank">rickfrank@me.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>Actually, it's a bit stranger than I thought. The global time stamp on Windows 64 bit is a 64 bit int cast to an </div><div>Unsigned long, as size of void ptr is 8<br><table style="border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,arial,nimbussansl,liberationsans,freesans,clean,sans-serif,'Apple Color Emoji','Segoe UI Emoji','Segoe UI Symbol';font-size:13px"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0px 10px;width:50px;min-width:50px;line-height:18px;text-align:right;vertical-align:top;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(238,238,238);border-width:0px 1px 0px 0px"></td><td style="padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;overflow:visible;word-wrap:normal"><font color="#000000" face="UICTFontTextStyleTallBody"><span style="font-size:19px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span>void</span> <span>vtkTimeStamp::Modified</span>()</span></font></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px 10px;width:50px;min-width:50px;line-height:18px;text-align:right;vertical-align:top;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(238,238,238);border-width:0px 1px 0px 0px"></td><td style="padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;overflow:visible;word-wrap:normal"><font color="#000000" face="UICTFontTextStyleTallBody"><span style="font-size:19px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">{</span></font></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px 10px;width:50px;min-width:50px;line-height:18px;text-align:right;vertical-align:top;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(238,238,238);border-width:0px 1px 0px 0px"></td><td style="padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;overflow:visible;word-wrap:normal"><font color="#000000" face="UICTFontTextStyleTallBody"><span style="font-size:19px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">#<span>if</span> VTK_SIZEOF_VOID_P == 8</span></font></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px 10px;width:50px;min-width:50px;line-height:18px;text-align:right;vertical-align:top;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(238,238,238);border-width:0px 1px 0px 0px"></td><td style="padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;overflow:visible;word-wrap:normal"><font color="#000000" face="UICTFontTextStyleTallBody"><span style="font-size:19px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> <span>static</span> vtkAtomicInt64 <span>GlobalTimeStamp</span>(<span>0</span>);</span></font></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px 10px;width:50px;min-width:50px;line-height:18px;text-align:right;vertical-align:top;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(238,238,238);border-width:0px 1px 0px 0px"></td><td style="padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;overflow:visible;word-wrap:normal"><font color="#000000" face="UICTFontTextStyleTallBody"><span style="font-size:19px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">#<span>else</span></span></font></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px 10px;width:50px;min-width:50px;line-height:18px;text-align:right;vertical-align:top;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(238,238,238);border-width:0px 1px 0px 0px"></td><td style="padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;overflow:visible;word-wrap:normal"><font color="#000000" face="UICTFontTextStyleTallBody"><span style="font-size:19px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> <span>static</span> vtkAtomicInt32 <span>GlobalTimeStamp</span>(<span>0</span>);</span></font></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px 10px;width:50px;min-width:50px;line-height:18px;text-align:right;vertical-align:top;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(238,238,238);border-width:0px 1px 0px 0px"></td><td style="padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;overflow:visible;word-wrap:normal"><font color="#000000" face="UICTFontTextStyleTallBody"><span style="font-size:19px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">#<span>endif</span></span></font></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px 10px;width:50px;min-width:50px;line-height:18px;text-align:right;vertical-align:top;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(238,238,238);border-width:0px 1px 0px 0px"></td><td style="padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;overflow:visible;word-wrap:normal"><font color="#000000" face="UICTFontTextStyleTallBody"><span style="font-size:19px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">
</span></font></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px 10px;width:50px;min-width:50px;line-height:18px;text-align:right;vertical-align:top;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(238,238,238);border-width:0px 1px 0px 0px"></td><td style="padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;overflow:visible;word-wrap:normal"><font color="#000000" face="UICTFontTextStyleTallBody"><span style="font-size:19px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> <span>this</span>->ModifiedTime = (<span>unsigned</span> <span>long</span>)++GlobalTimeStamp;</span></font></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px 10px;width:50px;min-width:50px;line-height:18px;text-align:right;vertical-align:top;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(238,238,238);border-width:0px 1px 0px 0px"></td><td style="padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;overflow:visible;word-wrap:normal"><font color="#000000" face="UICTFontTextStyleTallBody"><span style="font-size:19px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">}<br><br>I'm not certain off the top of my head what the wrap around pattern would be - probably 2 times around before wrapping to zero....<br><br><br></span></font></td></tr></tbody></table><div>Sent from my iPad</div></div><div><br><span class="">On Mar 7, 2016, at 11:13 AM, David Cole <<a href="mailto:DLRdave@aol.com" target="_blank">DLRdave@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></span></div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>This is a well known issue, reported here:</span><br><span></span><br><span> <a href="http://www.vtk.org/Bug/view.php?id=14310" target="_blank">http://www.vtk.org/Bug/view.php?id=14310</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>There are some patch files against older versions of VTK which are</span><br><span>attached to the bug. You could try a similar patch (although it's</span><br><span>quite a few lines to change) against whatever version of VTK you are</span><br><span>using.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I would be VERY interested in seeing a modification to fix this</span><br><span>problem make its way into VTK master.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>David C.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Ken Martin <<a href="mailto:ken.martin@kitware.com" target="_blank">ken.martin@kitware.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Oops, yes, I meant runnable time not run time :-)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Richard Frank <<a href="mailto:rickfrank@me.com" target="_blank">rickfrank@me.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Oh never mind - increase the runnable time not run time :>}</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from my iPad</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Mar 7, 2016, at 9:07 AM, David Gobbi <<a href="mailto:david.gobbi@gmail.com" target="_blank">david.gobbi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Richard Frank <<a href="mailto:rickfrank@me.com" target="_blank">rickfrank@me.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Not yet. That will be next step. Seems plausible since I can't find</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>after quite a bit of testing any leaks, OpenGL errors reported, and testing</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>on different systems with different Nvidia cards. etc, and tracing into VTK</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>( although trying to trace through all the calls to executive, algorithm,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>superclass, etc is quite cumbersome). Things just fail to move, silently.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>As far as I'm aware, the only reason that VTK hasn't yet switched to a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>64-bit MTime everywhere is that there would be backwards compatibility</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>problems (GetMTime is a virtual method that is overridden in many</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>subclasses).</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I found another post where someone had a slightly similar problem and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>said removing and re-adding actors fixed the problem, which we also seem to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>see.....</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The VTK pipeline uses the difference between timestamps to as an indicator</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>for when to undertake certain actions. So it is likely that problems only</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>arise when this "difference" between two crucial timestamps exceeds the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>32-bit limit. That's why re-adding actors might fix the problem.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Also, why the runtime hit on a 64 bit build?.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>What are you referring to? 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