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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">*** Cough *** Re: [vtk-developers] Tcl wrapping and output array arguments :-)</span></a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ken Martin PhD</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Chairman & CFO</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Kitware Inc.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">28 Corporate Drive</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Clifton Park NY 12065</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ken.martin@kitware.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">ken.martin@kitware.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">518 881-4901 (w)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">518 371-4573 (f)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This communication, including all attachments, contains confidential and legally privileged information, and it is intended only for the use of the addressee. 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Thank you.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> vtk-developers [mailto:<a href="mailto:vtk-developers-bounces@vtk.org">vtk-developers-bounces@vtk.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Berk Geveci<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 8, 2015 9:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> Will Schroeder<br><b>Cc:</b> Andrew Maclean; VTK Developers<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [vtk-developers] An interesting statistic about VTK</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">We decided to keep the Tcl wrapping going for a while longer in a separate thread a while ago. It is really not a burden on us to do it, as long as we are not asked to add more features. I expect that this will come up again in a few years and the community may be ready to let go then.</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">-berk</p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Will Schroeder <<a href="mailto:will.schroeder@kitware.com" target="_blank">will.schroeder@kitware.com</a>> wrote:</p><div><p class="MsoNormal">That's okay as long as maintaining these Tcl scripts and associated infrastructure is not an undue burden. After cleaning out my attic this winter I am all for getting rid of junk :-)<span class="hoenzb"><span style="color:#888888"></span></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"><br>W</span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Bill Lorensen <<a href="mailto:bill.lorensen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bill.lorensen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p>I agree with Dave C. Just turn TCL wrapping off on most platforms. Turn it on for a couple.</p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On May 8, 2015 9:21 AM, "David Cole via vtk-developers" <<a href="mailto:vtk-developers@vtk.org" target="_blank">vtk-developers@vtk.org</a>> wrote:</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On the other hand, the tests are "not even there" if you simply turn<br>off TCL wrapping... So why bother removing them? They're a useful<br>reference for those who turn on TCL wrapping.<br><br>If TCL wrapping is supported, there should be some tests/examples in TCL.<br><br>I would say if you want to get rid of them, get rid of TCL wrapping<br>entirely. But if you're not willing to go all the way like that, leave<br>the tests for the poor souls stuck using TCL.<br><br>Just an alternate opinion to consider. Please don't give it too much<br>weight, as I have personally totally been in favor of getting rid of<br>TCL entirely since 2005.<br><br><br>David C.<br><br><br><br>On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Berk Geveci <<a href="mailto:berk.geveci@kitware.com" target="_blank">berk.geveci@kitware.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Seconded.<br>><br>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Will Schroeder <<a href="mailto:will.schroeder@kitware.com" target="_blank">will.schroeder@kitware.com</a>><br>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Nice work Andrew!<br>>><br>>> I'm all for eliminating duplicates, especially if it means people can test<br>>> more and faster, although if we are going to retain Tcl for the long haul we<br>>> do have to continue to test Tcl language bindings. Personally I have not<br>>> used Tcl for several years now.....<br>>><br>>> W<br>>><br>>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Andrew Maclean <<a href="mailto:andrew.amaclean@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrew.amaclean@gmail.com</a>><br>>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Hi All,<br>>>><br>>>> Look at this for VTK:<br>>>> ----------------------------------------<br>>>> Total number of Cxx tests : 1053<br>>>> Total number of Python tests : 537<br>>>> Total number of TCL tests : 443<br>>>> Total number of tests : 2033<br>>>> ----------------------------------------<br>>>> Tests in TCL but not in Python or Cxx.<br>>>> Common/Core/Testing/Tcl<br>>>> TestArrays<br>>>> TestString<br>>>> otherInterp<br>>>> otherPrint<br>>>> Filters/Core/Testing/Tcl<br>>>> probe<br>>>> Filters/Sources/Testing/Tcl<br>>>> squadViewer<br>>>> Rendering/Tk/Testing/Tcl<br>>>> TestTextActor3D<br>>>> cursor3D<br>>>> ----------------------------------------<br>>>><br>>>> Some time ago we spent a lot of time converting the Tcl tests to Python<br>>>> either automatically or by hand, so now these 8 tests are the only ones not<br>>>> in Python or TCL. Although Common/Core/Testing/Python/TestStrings.py vastly<br>>>> extends the TCL version so really there are just 7 tests not tested by<br>>>> either Python or Cxx.<br>>>><br>>>> Is it time to disable the duplicate 436 TCL tests?<br>>>> The advantage here is that it may speed up the testing times and these<br>>>> 436 tests are redundant anyway.<br>>>><br>>>> Note: I am NOT advocating removing the tests as there may be people still<br>>>> using TCL and these may be a useful reference for them.<br>>>><br>>>> I wrote a python script to do this investigation. If people think it is<br>>>> useful, I will clean it up and put it into VTK. The code currently only<br>>>> looks at Testing/Cxx, Testing/Python, Testing/Tcl in the VTK tree, so<br>>>> folders below these are not looked at.<br>>>><br>>>> Regards<br>>>> Andrew<br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> ___________________________________________<br>>>> Andrew J. P. 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