<div dir="ltr">Agreed. I'll start some new threads on this.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Bill Lorensen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bill.lorensen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bill.lorensen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Berk,<br>
If the goal is to attract more developers then we need to understand why we are not attracting them. We should not assume that changing our process is a solution. I think the process discussion is a good one, but it may not be the core issue. I suggest we start another thread to address the developer issue.</p>
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<p dir="ltr">Bill</p></font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 25, 2014 7:47 PM, "Berk Geveci" <<a href="mailto:berk.geveci@kitware.com" target="_blank">berk.geveci@kitware.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Hi Bill,<div><br></div><div>The goal is not to have more process. It is to implement a workflow with fun-to-use tools such that we can continue to attract developers to VTK. VTK development is lively. We have done a lot of great stuff last year, both new development and maintenance, and we have great things coming next year.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In my humble opinion, what we are doing poorly is attracting new developers. I think toolchain and workflow play a role in this. Not communicating well is another part. I'd like to attract more people to contribute code and more people to do reviews. Also, our bug tracker is collecting dust. Lots of bug reports are going in but it gets very little attention. I can't even remember when I looked at it last.</div>
<div><div><br></div><div>Here are some statistics from <a href="http://openhub.net" target="_blank">openhub.net</a> (website formerly known as ohloh):</div><div><br></div><div><div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">VTK:</font></div>
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<font face="arial, sans-serif"><div>
<br></div><div>30 Day Summary</div><div>Jul 21 2014 — Aug 20 2014</div><div>152 Commits</div><div>19 Contributors</div><div><br></div><div>12 Month Summary</div><div>Aug 20 2013 — Aug 20 2014</div><div>2393 Commits</div>
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Down -965 (28%) from previous 12 months</div><div>64 Contributors</div><div>Down -6 (8%) from previous 12 months</div><div><br></div><div>Still a lot of commits but going down.</div><div><br></div><div>So I'd like to see us slowly migrating towards tools that are more attractive and facilitate collaboration with the larger community.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Frankly, I believe that our current set of tools get in the way. First of all, they all require creating accounts to do anything. An account for bug tracker, another for Gerrit, another for Wiki, another 2 for the mailing lists. We should have presence where people already hang out and don't have to create new accounts. Github, stackoverflow, Google+ etc. Second of all, they are all clunky at best. Usability does matter to people. Finally, there are a lot new resources available out there and we are not tapping into it as best as we can. We should be using Travis and Jenkins in addition to CDash and CDash @ Home for example.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So I don't think that this conversation is overkill. These discussions have a natural tendency to go on forever, I agree. So let's try to keep to the point and make some decisions soon.</div><div>
<br></div><div>Best,</div><div>-berk</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></font></div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Bill Lorensen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bill.lorensen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bill.lorensen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">BTW the new gerrit UI is a bit prettier:<br>
<a href="https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/q/status:open" target="_blank">https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/q/status:open</a><br>
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I'm a little concerned that we spend too much time on process and not<br>
enough time on improving VTK. But, I'll go with the consensus of the<br>
people who still work for a living. If the new process is too<br>
difficult for an old guy like me, I'll just spend my extra time with<br>
ITK.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
Bill<br>
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On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Sean McBride <<a href="mailto:sean@rogue-research.com" target="_blank">sean@rogue-research.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:50:59 -0400, David Cole via vtk-developers said:<br>
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>>A fantasy feature for me would be that the system injects a step<br>
>>1.5/2.5 in the developer workflow, and automatically chooses 3-5<br>
>>reviewers for you based on reviewers "signing up" for reviewing certain<br>
>>modules, or perhaps based on recent-ish commits in the same files...<br>
><br>
> That would be a great addition. I often don't know who to add as a reviewer, and I've been tinkering with VTK for years. Imagine a newbie! A person can use 'git log' and 'git blame' to get some guesses, and that could be automated. Of course, sometimes that results in suggesting someone no longer involved with VTK or the infamous 'VTK developers', but still it would help to automate it.<br>
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