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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=828372823-11112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Well, this discussion could last
forever...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=828372823-11112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I wouldn't like to "dispute the facts" that Kent has
written on that forum. In fact, I was too far putting my opinions
there... <SPAN class=828372823-11112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I understand that those facts are incontrovertible as you
said.</FONT></SPAN> I only got astonished by the attitude itself. I'd never
imagine someone making such arguments, being them reasonable or not, in a public
forum. It's not noble to inflame US citizens against an open source public
funded project. This kind of behaviour is not for a company's
president and we have some reservation if this guys is really
who he's saying.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=828372823-11112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>By the way, I don't have any right to discuss what north
americans do with their taxes. I'm a Brazilian (a south american) who already
have a huge tax load to pay (each Brazilian works 4 months per year just to pay
taxes). In my case, I'm only concerned if my government has been giving a good
destiny to our money or not (unfortunately, our government has too much to learn
yet). Moreover, I'm not worried if my money is being applied in an open source
project or not. BTW, I'm almost sure that our research funds do not have any
restriction against giving away softwares or whatever public funded. If so, I'd
like to know the excuses behind the restriction, otherwise, If the project
is really public and will bring good results, for me or anyone else within my
country or not -- *help any people around the world* -- it's more
than enough (IMHO).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=828372823-11112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Going further, how many US citizens work in a Linux
platform nowadays?! Did anybody (from US, Brazil, China, Iraq, Angola,
wherever) give any cent to Linus Torvald?! I don't think so and we could
imagine what would have happened if Finland had funds restriction like some NASA
projects have (restricted only to US citizens).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=828372823-11112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Maybe the Kent's message could make us think how wrong and
old some business model are. We know that people have been making good money
with open source projects. They sell support, books, T-shirts, especific
software development, etc..., etc..., etc... they put more value in their
knowledge than in their products itself and it's also incontrovertible. CEI
should think about it. They could start change their business model a
little.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=828372823-11112006>>>> Do you think
that ParaView would be in as good a shape IF the U.S. taxpayer did not fund it
via the DoE and DoD? <<<</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=828372823-11112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Who knows?! I think that the main fact which makes open
source projects boost their grow is the model of sharing knowledge among
different people with different experience, inside or outside the main
development team. Furthermore, I'm sure there's a large number of open
source projects in a good shape without relying only in government
funds...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=828372823-11112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Respectfully </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=828372823-11112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Renato</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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paraview-bounces+rnelias=nacad.ufrj.br@paraview.org
[mailto:paraview-bounces+rnelias=nacad.ufrj.br@paraview.org] <B>Em nome de
</B>Paul Adams<BR><B>Enviada em:</B> sábado, 11 de novembro de 2006
15:52<BR><B>Para:</B> paraview@paraview.org<BR><B>Assunto:</B> Re: [Paraview]
ParaView and Ensight<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Do you dispute the facts that Kent Misegades lays out?<BR><BR>1.
ParaView was funded by DoE and DoD labs. That is an incontrovertible
fact. When you launch ParaView, you see the Los Alamos National
Laboratory, Sandia National Laboratories, Lawrence Livermore National
Laboratories, and U.S. Army Research Laboratory logos on the splash page.
In case you miss it, you can always find it under Help-->About.<BR>2. The
national laboratories are funded by U.S. taxpayers. Again, this is an
incontrovertible fact. <BR>3. ParaView is given away freely. Again, this
is an incontrovertible fact.<BR><BR>Do you think that ParaView would be in as
good a shape IF the U.S. taxpayer did not fund it via the DoE and DoD?
<BR><BR>My point is this: <BR>1. Kitware received U.S. taxpayer money via the
DoD and DoE to make it the product it is.<BR>2. Open-Source is not a
panacea. Paying someone good money to develop a good product is still the
best way to make good software. <BR>3. EnSight is still a great product and can
do things that ParaView cannot do. <BR>4. ParaView is still a great
product and can do things that EnSight cannot do. <BR><BR>I view ParaView
and EnSight as tools in the toolbox. I use whichever one will best solve
the current problem I have. Sometimes the answer is that neither one will
solve the problem so I have to write my own code. <BR><BR>Paul
Adams<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 11/9/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Renato N.
Elias</B> <<A
href="mailto:rnelias@nacad.ufrj.br">rnelias@nacad.ufrj.br</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR>Hi
people,<BR><BR>I think ParaView has been annoying some CEI's guys out
there<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.cfd-online.com/Forum/main.cgi?read=49375">http://www.cfd-online.com/Forum/main.cgi?read=49375</A><BR><BR>Look
at this: <BR>"...ParaView has been developed at a great expense to US
taxpayers at DOD<BR>and DOE labs, then is given away freely to anyone on the
planet. If you pay<BR>taxes in the US, I am sure that you find this as
disagreeable as do <BR>we...(Kent Misegades President, CEI Inc.)"<BR><BR>This
is the worst argument I've ever seen... how disgusting...
:-(<BR><BR>Renato.<BR><BR>p.s.: this message is not to inflame anyone. It's
just to show how dirty<BR>someone can be to recover his "mine of gold", which
has been
vanishing...<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>ParaView
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