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See </span><a href="https://discuss.pytorch.org/" class="enhancr2_5dbbbd71-6d9e-8525-a1e7-f4eb6c727d59" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501545406143_18959">PyTorch Forums</a> for an example of what some modern open-source software tools use. 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line-height:19px; margin:0 0 4px 0;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;word-break:break-word;">PyTorch Forums</h2> <div class="card-description" style="font-size:11px;line-height:15px;color:#999;word-break:break-word;">A place to discuss PyTorch code, issues, install, research</div> </td> <td style="text-align:right;padding:16px 12px 16px 0;"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </a></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501545406143_29171"><br></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, July 31, 2017 7:55 PM, Bill Lorensen <bill.lorensen@gmail.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div dir="ltr">Here are comments I made 3 years ago on the VTK discussion about<br clear="none">changing VTK's code review process.<br clear="none">-------------<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Berk,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I think we need to reach out to potential developers. Especially those<br clear="none">outside of Kitware(and their paying customers) and the long term VTK<br clear="none">developers outside Kitware. Those communities can adapt to anything.<br clear="none">We need to focus on is how can we can attract new developers. In the<br clear="none">past, new processes were adopted and adapted by Kitware, their<br clear="none">customers and hard core VTK developers with very little input from the<br clear="none">broader community of potential developers.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">ITK is going through the same issues but addressing the issues not<br clear="none">through process change. They are looking at outreach and better<br clear="none">documentation of the current process. Matt McCormick at Kitware has<br clear="none">been leading this effort.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I think there are lots of non-process improvements possible. But I<br clear="none">don't have a silver bullet for attracting new developers. Perhaps VTK<br clear="none">is too old school for today's developers. Stuck with an old<br clear="none">architecture, old graphics architecture, old and complex languages. I<br clear="none">honestly don't know what the root causes are. If we only include the<br clear="none">old-timers in theses discussion then we will not attract a younger set<br clear="none">of devleopers.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Bill<br clear="none">---------------<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Matt McCormick<br clear="none"><<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:matt.mccormick@kitware.com" href="mailto:matt.mccormick@kitware.com">matt.mccormick@kitware.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> Hi folks,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> We are considering migration of ITK's software process to GitHub, and<br clear="none">> we would like your feedback.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> As an open-source, community-driven project, mechanisms to communicate<br clear="none">> and interact with the community are a high priority for ITK.<br clear="none">> Contributing should be as easy as possible. Increasingly over the past<br clear="none">> many years, GitHub has become the de facto place to interact for open<br clear="none">> source development. It is now a hub for:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Microsoft<br clear="none">> Facebook<br clear="none">> Google<br clear="none">> The Scientific Python Community<br clear="none">> The 3D Slicer Community<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Our InsightSoftwareConsortium GitHub organization [1] already has 67<br clear="none">> people in it and 74 repositories. There are hundreds of projects that<br clear="none">> depend on ITK on GitHub. Many ITK developers are familiar with the<br clear="none">> development process on GitHub (i.e the pull request process) and<br clear="none">> already have an account on this platform. There are also advantages to<br clear="none">> linking issues and commits with other projects and repositories. Since<br clear="none">> ITK thrives on the open-source development idea, everyone who wants to<br clear="none">> help the project should be able to contribute, and therefore it should<br clear="none">> be as easy as possible to start participating in the community.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Recently, GitHub's code review capabilities have greatly improved,<br clear="none">> which make it more feasible to coordinate contributions for a large<br clear="none">> project like ITK. And, there are many existing GitHub-integrated<br clear="none">> services that we can leverage.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Thanks to resources from the National Library of Medicine and<br clear="none">> technological advances, it is now feasible to migrate the project's<br clear="none">> software process to GitHub. There are many infrastructural aspects to<br clear="none">> the migration, and it would take multiple months to complete. Please<br clear="none">> let us know your thoughts before we embark on the journey.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> [1] <a shape="rect" href="https://github.com/InsightSoftwareConsortium" target="_blank">https://github.com/InsightSoftwareConsortium</a><br clear="none">> _____________________________________<br clear="none">> Powered by www.kitware.com<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Visit other Kitware open-source projects at<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html" target="_blank">http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Kitware offers ITK Training Courses, for more information visit:<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.kitware.com/products/protraining.php" target="_blank">http://www.kitware.com/products/protraining.php</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Please keep messages on-topic and check the ITK FAQ at:<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.itk.org/Wiki/ITK_FAQ" target="_blank">http://www.itk.org/Wiki/ITK_FAQ</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Follow this link to subscribe/unsubscribe:<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/insight-users" target="_blank">http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/insight-users</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Unpaid intern in BillsBasement at noware dot com<div class="yqt6844816824" id="yqtfd76150"><br clear="none">_____________________________________<br clear="none">Powered by www.kitware.com<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Visit other Kitware open-source projects at<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html" target="_blank">http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Kitware offers ITK Training Courses, for more information visit:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.kitware.com/products/protraining.php" target="_blank">http://www.kitware.com/products/protraining.php</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Please keep messages on-topic and check the ITK FAQ at:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.itk.org/Wiki/ITK_FAQ" target="_blank">http://www.itk.org/Wiki/ITK_FAQ</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Follow this link to subscribe/unsubscribe:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/insight-users" target="_blank">http://public.kitware.com/mailman/listinfo/insight-users</a><br clear="none"></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>