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<p class="MsoNormal">+1 for Discourse</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Slicer community switched from mailing list to Discourse about 4 months ago and it's awesome. It can do everything that a mailing list can do and of course much more. What I found particularly important:</p>
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You can discuss topics in detail, without worrying that it generates too much traffic and makes people leave the list (you can very easily subscribe/unsubscribe to categories, individual topics, etc depending on what you are interested in and how much time
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It turns a series of random discussions to an organized knowledge base (by allowing splitting, merging, renaming topics, fixing typos, applying nice formatting, etc.)</li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As a large open-source project, ITK can get free hosting from Discourse.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:matt.mccormick@kitware.com">Matt McCormick</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, August 1, 2017 17:30<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:nickmarch31@yahoo.com">Nick Cullen</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:insight-users@itk.org">insight-users@itk.org</a>; <a href="mailto:insight-developers@public.kitware.com">
Insight Developers List</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [ITK] [ITK-users] Migration to GitHub</p>
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<div>Thanks for the feedback, Nick.</div>
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(maybe I'm missing some other forum?) but if so, that desperately should be updated. See </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscuss.pytorch.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7Classo%40queensu.ca%7C7d811df38dbd4764452908d4d92482f4%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C636372198220619573&sdata=jiF4C9B%2FIMwNVnHxzeSd%2BlMzJuGHC8U1OgqZ49%2FXq1Q%3D&reserved=0" class="m_-2106687760677313308enhancr2_5dbbbd71-6d9e-8525-a1e7-f4eb6c727d59" id="m_-2106687760677313308yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501545406143_18959" target="_blank">PyTorch
Forums</a> for an example of what some modern open-source software tools use. It's built with <a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fdiscourse%2Fdiscourse&data=02%7C01%7Classo%40queensu.ca%7C7d811df38dbd4764452908d4d92482f4%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C636372198220619573&sdata=vFkV2UwAVgo%2F5F7aVCWOMBHq2mDUuWSehsnNE52eg8s%3D&reserved=0" id="m_-2106687760677313308yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501545406143_22200" target="_blank">https://github.com/<wbr>discourse/discourse</a> which
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<div>We are investigating Discourse deployment.</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">On Monday, July 31, 2017 7:55 PM, Bill Lorensen <<a href="mailto:bill.lorensen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bill.lorensen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Berk,<br clear="none">
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developers outside Kitware. Those communities can adapt to anything.<br clear="none">
We need to focus on is how can we can attract new developers. In the<br clear="none">
past, new processes were adopted and adapted by Kitware, their<br clear="none">
customers and hard core VTK developers with very little input from the<br clear="none">
broader community of potential developers.<br clear="none">
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ITK is going through the same issues but addressing the issues not<br clear="none">
through process change. They are looking at outreach and better<br clear="none">
documentation of the current process. Matt McCormick at Kitware has<br clear="none">
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don't have a silver bullet for attracting new developers. Perhaps VTK<br clear="none">
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architecture, old graphics architecture, old and complex languages. I<br clear="none">
honestly don't know what the root causes are. If we only include the<br clear="none">
old-timers in theses discussion then we will not attract a younger set<br clear="none">
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> Hi folks,<br clear="none">
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> We are considering migration of ITK's software process to GitHub, and<br clear="none">
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> As an open-source, community-driven project, mechanisms to communicate<br clear="none">
> and interact with the community are a high priority for ITK.<br clear="none">
> Contributing should be as easy as possible. Increasingly over the past<br clear="none">
> many years, GitHub has become the de facto place to interact for open<br clear="none">
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> Microsoft<br clear="none">
> Facebook<br clear="none">
> Google<br clear="none">
> The Scientific Python Community<br clear="none">
> The 3D Slicer Community<br clear="none">
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> Our InsightSoftwareConsortium GitHub organization [1] already has 67<br clear="none">
> people in it and 74 repositories. There are hundreds of projects that<br clear="none">
> depend on ITK on GitHub. Many ITK developers are familiar with the<br clear="none">
> development process on GitHub (i.e the pull request process) and<br clear="none">
> already have an account on this platform. There are also advantages to<br clear="none">
> linking issues and commits with other projects and repositories. Since<br clear="none">
> ITK thrives on the open-source development idea, everyone who wants to<br clear="none">
> help the project should be able to contribute, and therefore it should<br clear="none">
> be as easy as possible to start participating in the community.<br clear="none">
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> Recently, GitHub's code review capabilities have greatly improved,<br clear="none">
> which make it more feasible to coordinate contributions for a large<br clear="none">
> project like ITK. And, there are many existing GitHub-integrated<br clear="none">
> services that we can leverage.<br clear="none">
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> Thanks to resources from the National Library of Medicine and<br clear="none">
> technological advances, it is now feasible to migrate the project's<br clear="none">
> software process to GitHub. There are many infrastructural aspects to<br clear="none">
> the migration, and it would take multiple months to complete. Please<br clear="none">
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