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--></style></head><body lang=HU link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I do not find it to be a joke, rather than being one of the best out there (if not THE best).</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I tried CLion just 2 weeks ago. It was a nice experience when it came to CMake, but it’s C++ IntelliSense capabilities seem to be lacking. (Truth be told, I did try with the experimental MSVC support, so I do plan to revisit CLion once that is baked.) The thing I did not like about CLion is that it tries to cater the click-click way of getting a build ready, but does not go all the way (nor even half the way).</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I tried getting a build ready of one „src/Main.cpp” and a „inc/Header.hpp” (I believe this is the most common source file organization), but I failed to add the „target_include_directories” statement through the UI. So, if CLion caters those who wish to add source files through the UI, which even prompts for a CMake variable to add the source file to, and even follows along the lines of changing the CMake script when one relocates files through the UI… then why can’t I set something as simple as an include directory through the UI???</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I believe the problem CLion got caught in is that it is very hard (if not impossible) to wrap a UI around a stateful, imperative language with also letting the user edit the CMakeLists.txt file. VS had a much easier job with MSBuild (an XML-based build system), but with CMake, it’s much harder. This was one of the reasons I suggested roughly a year ago to create an IR for CMake (to decouple generators from the front-end, and also facilitate IDE interop).</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So all in all, I considered VS to be a nicer, more consistent overall experience than the one in CLion. I have not tried Qt Creator yet (I know it was among the first to adopt cmake-server), but will do soon, as I will also revisit CLion once they call the MSVC experience baked.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>ps.: I found it strange that CLion still seems to rely on Codeblock NMake Makefiles for both executing a build AND also hooking the IntelliSense experience into the IDE. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought CLion will be the first to adopt cmake-server.</p><p class=MsoNormal>ps2.: Big brother VS is already at executing builds with Ninja by default.</p><p class=MsoNormal>ps3.: once this (<a href="https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-cpptools/issues/156">link</a>) issue is fixed in relation to the cmake-tools extension, I’ll consider VS Code for serious work. It has other nice benefits that big brother VS does not.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0cm'><b>Feladó: </b><a href="mailto:jeanmichael.celerier@gmail.com">Jean-Michaël Celerier</a><br><b>Elküldve: </b>2017. augusztus 18., péntek 15:37<br><b>Címzett: </b><a href="mailto:csiga.biga@aol.com">Nagy-Egri Máté Ferenc</a><br><b>Másolatot kap: </b><a href="mailto:cmake-developers@cmake.org">CMake Developers</a><br><b>Tárgy: </b>Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>> Visual Studio 2017 has the best C/C++ experience with CMake</p></div><p class=MsoNormal>IMHO, Visual Studio's CMake integration is a joke in comparison to QtCreator and CLion.</p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#134F5C'>-------</span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#134F5C'>Jean-Michaël Celerier</span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#134F5C'><a href="http://www.jcelerier.name" target="_blank">http://www.jcelerier.name</a></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Nagy-Egri Máté Ferenc via cmake-developers <<a href="mailto:cmake-developers@cmake.org" target="_blank">cmake-developers@cmake.org</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Impressed with VSCode?? If I saw this post anywhere else than the CMake mailing list, I’d understand, but VSCode with CMake is horrible. The fact that in 2017 I have to set include directories, compiler definitions and target paths manually to have proper IntelliSense (Code navigation and syntax higlight) is absurd.</p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As far as I saw Visual Studio 2017 has the best C/C++ experience with CMake. (Google: Visual Studio Open Folder support with CMake)</p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Feladó: </b><a href="mailto:wesley.hoke@gmail.com" target="_blank">Wesley Smith</a><br><b>Elküldve: </b>2017. augusztus 10., csütörtök 6:38<br><b>Címzett: </b><a href="mailto:ivamprettimn@gmail.com" target="_blank">Ivam Pretti</a><br><b>Másolatot kap: </b><a href="mailto:cmake-developers@cmake.org" target="_blank">cmake-developers@cmake.org</a><br><b>Tárgy: </b>Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE</p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have been really impressed with <a href="https://code.visualstudio.com/" target="_blank">VSCode</a>. </p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Ivam Pretti <<a href="mailto:ivamprettimn@gmail.com" target="_blank">ivamprettimn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Can you recomend an IDE to code in C/C++?</p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>--<br><br>Powered by <a href="http://www.kitware.com" target="_blank">www.kitware.com</a><br><br>Please keep messages on-topic and check the CMake FAQ at: <a href="http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ" target="_blank">http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ</a><br><br>Kitware offers various services to support the CMake community. 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